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Colt teams

Post by Nev » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:14 am

http://spfl.co.uk/news/article/spfl-con ... olt-teams/

Not one for the swearies on here, but a monumental DUCK THAT is warranted.

EDIT: yeah, thanks autocorrect.

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Re: Colt teams

Post by NewBlue » Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:06 pm

No thanks. Peterhead isn't here to suit Premiership teams. The current Rangers youth team is honking anyway so I am not sure there is any point to this (let's face it this is only for the benefit of the OF so they can continue to 'develop' youth players whilst continuing to sign foreigners). I certainly won't be paying to watch U21 football.

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Re: Colt teams

Post by ELLON BRANCH » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:18 pm

I have always said no club should be allowed more than one team in the league structure. If premier teams wish to have players gain experience then they need to address the development/reserve team leagues outwith the actual league system. If clubs have players they feel would gain from playing against league players then use the loan system to give them a chance for either half or a full season then it may be good for lower league clubs getting some player they would not get in normal circumstances & the player & parent club would know how near they were. This has been on the cards since Doncaster managed to get these teams into the Challenge cup but should not be entertained & him removed off the SPFL wage bill asap.

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Re: Colt teams

Post by ELLON BRANCH » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:26 pm

This seems to slipping under the radar for a lot of folk. Wonder if the club could make their position on this clear to supporters, think its up for discussion at the SPFL on Friday where all the clubs should be either for or against. Have made no secret that I am strongly against the whole idea of something that could end up with colt teams denying league clubs a place in the league. Would hope the club would vote against this & would like to know how they voted before buying another season ticket & the other usual things as would seriously consider going elsewhere to watch games if the club feel they have to back this deplorable idea.

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Re: Colt teams

Post by Flasher » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:18 pm

If they want to develop their young players, either stick with a colts league or put more out on loan to gain experience.I see that Fiacre Kelleher has signed for Oxford Utd in the English league one so his time with us must have been of some benefit.Which teams would have to make way for Spl kids or would they bring in a league three to accommodate the extra teams or increase the number of teams in each league. As it is, with the cup games and 36 league games,the season is long enough without having to play extra games to accommodate this nonsense.

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Post by ELLON BRANCH » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:08 pm

As far as I understand it they wanted colt teams to enter at Lowland?Highland league level & allow them if good enough to get promoted up as far as League 1, in the meantime its unlikely but you could end up in a situation where Premier League teams could end up with two teams in the League system at the cost of places for present teams. There is no sporting integrity in that to my mind

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Re: Colt teams

Post by ELLON BRANCH » Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:51 pm

Cowdenbeath had this statement in the match programme on Saturday, the subject seems to have gone quiet of late but would like to see more clubs follow this example & let supporters know how they stand.
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Thank you for your recent e-mail and accompanying letter on this subject.  The Board of Cowdenbeath FC have considered the matter and I can reply on the club’s behalf as follows:
Firstly, I can advise that it would not be Cowdenbeath FC’s intention to enter a Colt team into the League pyramid. 
Secondly, we can provide feedback from our perspective on the outline proposal.  There is a need to strike a balance where possible between what is appropriate for Cowdenbeath FC and what is for the good of the game in Scotland.  If we look at the disadvantages/advantages as detailed in the paper sent to us we don’t disagree that there is possibly potential merit in younger players being exposed to playing against stronger, more experienced players on a regular basis albeit there is no barrier to any club playing players aged 17-21 in their first team in the first place.  If we look at the advantages listed, the first 4 items are all positives for the few larger clubs who are likely to be willing and able to field a Colt side on the basis envisaged – which of course is rather in line with the overall Project Brave ethos. 
The final two advantages listed which might have more relevance to clubs such as Cowdenbeath FC are less than compelling – further ventilation in the League pyramid is not really being achieved by allowing existing League clubs to field a second team in the Pyramid structure.  Rather true ventilation will be better achieved by resolving the anomaly whereby the juniors stand outwith the Pyramid – clubs such as our neighbours Kelty Hearts might indeed set an example that does lead to true ventilation.  Then it is suggested that larger colt teams may attract a reasonable support – there is no evidence to suggest this from last year’s Irn-Bru Cup and other than an Old Firm colt derby we don’t perceive this as being very likely especially when matches are taking place at the same time as the Club’s 1st XI. 
The disadvantages listed are all moot.  The nascent pyramid/Lowland League arrangements are making progress and could be derailed by a diversion away from the basic aim of opening up the National leagues to more clubs via a pathway system.  Colt teams would dilute the competition and obstruct clubs moving up and down the pyramid.  Again in League One or Two if Colt teams were to win the title it would mean comparatively little to the parent club but would deprive a community of the thrill of its club being champions.  Then if Colt teams occupied say 3 out of 6 of the top positions in League One or Two that implies that a club finishing in seventh place could possibly end up winning promotion in a play-off.  10 team Leagues are not at all suitable for Colt teams – we believe in Spain and Germany that leagues where colt teams can gravitate to have at least 18 clubs. 
It is also fairly simple to glean that in respect of the viewpoint of the paying customer/the Scottish football fan that supporters of the larger clubs which may choose to run such Colts sides may well be broadly in favour as their own sides will never play against a colt team in all likelihood whilst the vast majority of fans of clubs in League One or Two would react adversely to what they would perceive as an imposition – they do not view their club as being in the business of providing a development platform for other clubs.
Thus we would not support Colt teams being admitted to the Pyramid – it presumably remains possible for Colt teams to play in the East of Scotland League as they have done in the past but they should not advance beyond that level.  The old ‘C’ Division of the late 1940s/early 1950s of course mixed 2nd XI’s and 1st Xi’s and was not a great success.   The replacement of the Development League by a Reserve League might help matters albeit may not be a panacea.  More player loans rather than less may be part of the solution – it might help develop a player more if he is removed from the club conveyor belt of just progressing through the ranks with the same team-mates but rather goes out on loan and out of a ‘comfort zone’  to learn of the challenges and realities that say part-time professionals face in a less cossetted environment. 
Anyway, hopefully the foregoing provides some food for thought and no doubt there will be a range of viewpoints in the feedback you receive. 

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